PK Podcast 023: Rupert Brown, Water Filter Bag Man

PK Podcast 023: Rupert Brown, Water Filter Bag Man

Rupert Brown
Rupert Brown of Brown’s Bushcraft and the Brown Filter Bag.

Rupert Brown joins me to talk about water purification and the nifty solution he provided to the bushcraft world and wider community of outdoors people in manufacturing the Brown Filter Bag. In the course of the conversation Rupert also talks about his change of career from being a forester and teaching arboriculture to teaching bushcraft as well as moving to France, where he now resides.

There is food for thought here for those looking at a career change, particularly into outdoors instruction. Plus Rupert is a great guy, someone whose company I enjoy. You may have seen his excellent presentation on water purification at the Frontier Bushcraft stall at the 2017 Bushcraft Show. And if you didn’t, I’d reiterate the need for you to listen to this podcast…. Our conversation forms Episode 23 of the Paul Kirtley Podcast…

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Bushcraft Show 2017 Rupert Brown at Frontier Bushcraft
Rupert Brown providing a water purification talk on the Frontier Bushcraft stand at the 2017 Bushcraft Show. Photo: Martin Tomlinson
Rupert Brown and Brown Fitler Bag
Rupert talking about the Brown Filter Bag. Photo: Martin Tomlinson.
Brown bag hanging from tripod
A worn-in Brown Bag. Photo: Martin Tomlinson.

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Links Mentioned In This Podcast

http://brownsbushcraft.com
http://shop.frontierbushcraft.com/

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Related Material On Paul Kirtley’s Blog

Water Purification: The 5 Contaminants You Need to Know About

Water Safety In Camp: The Six Pillars

How To Generate Water In The Frozen North

 

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Paul Kirtley is an award-winning professional bushcraft instructor, qualified canoe leader and mountain leader. He is passionate about nature and wilderness travel. In addition to writing this blog Paul owns and runs Frontier Bushcraft, a wilderness bushcraft school, offering bushcraft courses and wilderness expeditions.

13 thoughts on “PK Podcast 023: Rupert Brown, Water Filter Bag Man

  1. Hi Paul.
    Interesting podcast as always. I spent the long weekend here in Alberta in a Provincial park (oh no! a Park!) in a tent with my wife with no running water or other amenities other than a groomed site and a metal firepit. Ok, we had outhouses, but no running water. We did bring our own water supply for the three days out. Temperatures dropped to 0 C and increased to only 3 C during the worst day, and went as high as 13 C on Thanksgiving Monday. (We roasted our ‘Turkey Dinner’ over an open fire.)
    The lake where the Island is situated has been designated toxic with cyanobacteria (Blue-Green Algae). All warning signs at the waterfronts say that even boiling will not remove the toxins and to avoid contact with the water. On my return home, I Web searched this cyanobacteria and they all say that chemicals and algaecides can exacerbate the toxin, making them worse. Even chlorine will make it deadly to consume. So, what would you recommend in this case? Chemicals will not work, and we are advised to not bathe in the water, hence, it is necessary to wash with clean water after having contacted this lake water. So, it’s a conundrum, isn’t it. If you have no clean water, then avoid the dirty water, so how can you get clean water? Perhaps ‘gypsy wells’ dug near the shorelines at a ‘safe distance’? where we could then filter and boil that water? A safe distance being anywhere close to shore where the algae will not attain by wave action? I am thinking of a scenario of being in an isolated area, with no clean water available for a few days.

    Cheers,
    Marcel

    1. Hi Marcel,

      As always, I read your comments with interest. Thanks for your continued contribution to this site.

      Filtration will remove larger particulate matter as you know and I would recommend the use of a filter bag as the starting point. In my experience, this removes a good amount of any visually apparent “bloom”.

      Microfiltraton will remove bacteria and any intracellular toxins.

      Chlorine appears to be effective in neutralising extracellular toxins as long as the pH is below 8. We also know that Chlorine works better on water without much organic matter floating around in it. So always microfilter first in these situations.

      Hence, one of our standard methods of water purification for the field still works in the situation you are referring to – coarse filtration followed by microfiltration followed by chlorination.

      In terms of limited equipment, then yes a gypsy well to access the water not contaminated by cyanotoxins would be a prudent method. Then use coarse filtration to remove particulate material followed by boiling, as per usual.

      Hope this helps.

      Warm regards,

      Paul

      1. now to add litmus paper to my repertoire of gadgets. 🙂 So, what could bring the pH below 8, naturally? That means acid is better then? How would steeping in willow bark or other tannin barks help I wonder?

  2. Great podcast Paul. Have always carried a millbank bag since attending your elementary course in 2012, & used it numerous times. Have put a brown bag on my shopping list. Would be interested in it’s performance in colder / subzero climates, as other filters don’t work if they have been frozen?

  3. I tried to order a brown bag from Frontier Bushcraft store but they apparently don’t ship to the United States. Any suggestions?

    1. Hi Al,

      It’s good to hear from you.

      Lack of customs harmonisation and our warehouse being owned by an American company mean we can’t ship from our warehouse to the USA without it causing “issues”. They simply won’t dispatch it. Strictly speaking if we want to supply goods by mail order to US domestic market, we need to have stock in the USA and distribute from a US warehouse. To do this we need a company registered in the US.

      The solution is that if you really want one, we can take one to the post office and mail it to you directly. It should get to you OK but you may be on the hook for duty at your end. If you want to proceed, private message me and we can take it from there…

      Warm regards,

      Paul

  4. Build your own Millbank bag. Details on construction can be found on BushcraftUSA. I know, I posted them. The copper-ammonia process used for Millbank bags is crucial to the effectiveness of the bag. Plain double-weave canvas provides the raw strength, but not the minute filtering capacity one wants. The Cu-NH4 process makes teeny pores that increase the effectiveness of the bag. Yes, you can do this at home.

    You are trying to reduce the quantity of big chunks. Big chunks allow nasties to hide from your chlorine. Think about it. Nasty bacteria are way smaller than anything you can see. Nasty bacteria are safe from your chlorine when they hide in very tiny chunks of carbonaceous chewie. Rid your raw water of ever-tinier chunks of chewie and your chlorine will be ever so much more effective.

    A sack made of old blue jeans leg will filter out twigs. A commercial filter will handle it all. “We don’t need no education, we don’t need no thought control. ” Sorry. We bushcrafters would rather build our own kit, thankyouverymuch.

    Millbank bags were developed under conditions we first worlders won’t experience. They were tuned by people way smarter than you. Do it their way.

      1. The Millbank and Brown bags are virtually bomb proof. I had my Millbank for many years and it never let me down, the Brown appears to be just as robust (just not put it through the years of hard use the Millbank got, yet).
        Making one would be an interesting experience that I may well try out but if I’m going to do more than a few days I want to know the kit will survive and keep me healthy.

        Regards

        Robin

  5. Hi Paul,

    It was great to meet Rupert at the ‘Bushcraft show’, a very knowledgeable and personable gentleman.
    I first us a millbank bag back in the 70s and, until losing in a move, have always used it for course filtration. Two to three years ago I came across the Brown bag, after failing to find a replacement for my millbank, and have been very happy with it since. It lives in a pouch with a water bottle, mug, and small stove so I always have a way to purify water for the all-important cup of tea!

    Regards

    Robin

    1. Robin, I have a similar set up with a waterbottle pouch that contains mug, bottle, spoon, Brown bag, iodine or chlorine dioxide tabs and some coffe sachets and tea bags. Always important to have water (and a brew!).

      ATB,

      Paul

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